Spiral Balances and Pivot Lock Shoes

Home Owner from Connecticut
May 8, 2023 1:45 pm
Hi,
I think I have found the correct parts for my tilt-in sashes, but would appreciate confirmation.
Regarding the spiral balance, mine in 23.5" long and measures around 3/8". Does it matter in selecting a replacement that mine has the coil around the outside (See pic). I believe I should chose Product Code: S900-23 with the appropriate weight color. Can you confirm?

As for the pivot lock shoes, mine along the pivot lock bar are pictured. Dimension-wise it seems I need Product Code: 15-178. However, can you confirm it will fit a pivot lock bar that measures 1/8" tall by 5/16" wide?
Thank you

PXL_20230508_164316815 PXL_20230508_172903973~2 PXL_20230508_164230978 PXL_20230508_164240101
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Home Owner from Connecticut
May 8, 2023 11:06 pm
One other question related to the spiral balances. Each sash weighs 18.5 lbs. The current balances are red tipped. Can I go to another color to make the sashes easier to lift?
Casey
Casey from SWISCO
May 10, 2023 10:26 am
SWISCO
EXPERT

Hello,

I agree that the S900-23 could be the correct replacement but these older balances came with a plastic cover that appears to have broken off of your balance. I would recommend checking another window with an intact cover to confirm if it has a diameter of 3/8". If it measured 5/8", you could need the S600 instead. 

As for the colored tip option you'll need, the red tip will support a sash between 7-21 lbs but you could also use Blue (12-22 lbs) or Green (14-26 lbs) based on your sash weight.

Unfortunately, we can't confirm the correct pivot bar based on your 15-178 pivot shoe. If you could remove the pivot bar from the sash to show us another photo, as well as provide written-out dimensions, we'd be happy to look into your replacement options for that part as well. Thank you! 

Dimensions for 15-178
Dimensions for 15-178

Home Owner from Connecticut
May 10, 2023 11:40 am
Thanks for your response.

You're correct that there was a plastic cover on the spiral balance. I removed it to take the measure as I thought the diameter of the metal assembly was the critical number. The plastic cover has a diameter of 9/16". Sounds like the S600 is the way to go. Thanks for catching that!

As to the pivot bar, I cannot easily remove it from the window as it has flanges that go behind the vinyl frame. It seems I'd have to pop at least the bottom portion of the sash off to get it out and I'm not sure how to go about doing that. Do you have any videos or other guidance on the process?
Paul
Paul from SWISCO
May 11, 2023 10:21 am
SWISCO
EXPERT

Based on your photo of the pivot bar installed in your sash, I'm reminded of the 26-425 pivot pin and housing. To remove it, you would need to remove the sash and lay it down on a table. Then, remove the two sash screws on the bottom corners and carefully knock off the bottom sash rail from the glass with a wood block and hammer. At that point, you should be able to remove the bottom sash screw and pull out the pivot bar with the housing.

Alternate view of 26-425
Alternate view of 26-425

Alternate image for 26-425
Alternate image for 26-425

Home Owner from Connecticut
May 11, 2023 11:18 am
Yes, my bar aligns to the dimensions of 26-425. With that said, is that bar compatible with the 15-178 pivot shoe?

Regarding Casey's response on the spiral balances, now that it has been established that I require the S-600, with a sash weight of 18.5 lbs, would using a blue tip with the higher starting weight make the sash feel easier to operate than with the current red? The sashes have always felt heavy so I'd like to improve on that if possible.

Thanks for the continued assistance.
Paul
Paul from SWISCO
May 11, 2023 1:34 pm
SWISCO
EXPERT

As long as the specifications of both parts match up to yours, I see no reason why they wouldn't work together. 

As for your spiral balance strength option, either the red, blue, or green tip colors that Casey mentioned would support the weight of your window sash. Which one you use comes down to personal preference since one will not support the sash better than another. 

Please note that these balances need to be charged using something like our 75-006 charging tool. We generally recommend starting with 2-3 turns but you can add an additional turn if the sash is not being properly supported. Just make sure not to exceed 4-5 turns. 

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