balances, plastic piece keeps window frame together, metal clip on window frame & plastic strip holds glass in place

Quick Learner from
Jun 29, 2023 1:30 pm
I have various height windows. Balance is 1/2" wide x 9/16" deep.
Balance:
4 with the metal part 29" long
2 with the metal part 27" long
2 other windows had 2 different size balances, metal part 31" & 35". Window is 36" long so I think 35" would be the right one. I need 4 of those.
Need 4 of the piece in the stop pictures. It holds the frame around window glass togehter.
Also need the plastic strip that holds the window glass in the frame. I don't have a picture but it is black and 5/8" wide with a kind of triangle shape that clips into the frame around the glass.
Balance 5 Balance 4 Stop 1 Stop 2 BaIance 2
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Bob
Bob from SWISCO
Jun 29, 2023 10:11 pm
SWISCO
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Thanks for writing in. Do all these channel balances have the same nylon fittings? If so, they are either our Series 351 or Series 390. The only difference between these two balance Series is the depth of the bottom nylon shoe, or the 'heel-to-toe' measurement. Compare both with your old hardware to see what matches best; see the diagram below for reference.

Comparison of the S351 and S390 balance shoes.
Comparison of the S351 and S390 balance shoes.

For the window with two different sized balances, measure the height of visible glass in the window sash. Your balance's length should be 1" longer than that visible height. 

For all these balances you will need to choose stamp options, or what denotes the strength of the balances. Look for stamps on the old balances that indicate what option to choose. If there are none or you are uncertain, weigh your window sashes. You can then match that exact weight with one of the weight ranges listed alongside each stamp option under the production description on every balance's shop page.

For the Top Sash Guide, the 18-052 comes to mind, but review the dimensions below, and let me know if anything differs.

Alternate view of 18-052
Alternate view of 18-052
Alternate view of 18-052
Alternate view of 18-052

Finally, it sounds like you're referring to glazing bead. We have a number of possible beads that fit your descriptions. Compare your old bead's specific dimensions to our selection here, and see if anything matches what you need. 

Quick Learner from Boston MA
May 21, 2024 10:23 pm

Hi Bob,

I'm finally getting to this. The balancers seem to be the S390 as bottom plastic piece is wider than 1 inch. Various size windows. No stamps on old balancers.

2 windows 34 inch glass, different width so different weight. The measurement is the metal part of the balancer.

  • 2 35 3/16 inch S390 for a 28 pound window
  • 2 35 3/16 inch S390 for a 25 pound window
  • 4 29 1/16 inch S390 for 17 pound windows
  • 2 27 inch S390 for a 13.5 pound window
  • 2 33 inch S390 for a 26 pound window
  • 8 of the 18-052 top sash guide

I can't find any glazing bead to match what I have. I may not be viewing correctly. 55-185 looks the closest. Added photos of glaze bead

Also, need the clips at top the pop out to hold balancers when putting window in. 1 inch on center between 2 holes. I could use 10 of those.

Thanks,

John 

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Bob
Bob from SWISCO
May 23, 2024 3:44 pm
SWISCO
EXPERT

Well, to start with the balances, we can't provide these in fractional inches. These are only made in full inch increments. You should triple check your measurements just to be safe. We can't supply either 35-3/16" nor 29-1/16". Additionally, these have to be pretty precise. You can't exactly round to the nearest inch and have it work. Even a difference as small as 3/16" is a deal breaker. You need to be very sure that these are the same balance.

Other than that, we have a weight chart on each Series 390 store page that tells you exactly how much weight each option supports. You can check each such chart to determine the best stamp option for your balances.

In regards to the clip, I will need to see a photo of the piece in question to identify a match. It sounds like it could be a take out clip, so our 16-002 is a possibility, but there is more than one kind of take out clip so I'd rather not guess.

Lastly, concerning this glazing, we don't sell an exact match. I would say our closest option is going to be the 55-016, but you should review our dimensions to be sure.

Profile diagram of 55-016
Profile diagram of 55-016

Quick Learner from Boston MA
May 24, 2024 12:08 am
Remeasured and they're all whole inches. The 27" had 2630 stamped on it and the 29" had 2830
Clip 16-002 looks like the correct one, pictures attached
The glazing is missing on one seam of a window. I guess just a piece of 55-016 to test would work.
All Series 390
4 - 35" 3440
2 - 34" 3340
4 - 29" 2830
2 - 27" 2630

8 - part 18-052 sash guide
16 - part 16-002 clip
1 - 55-016 glazing, I think there's a 3ft option

Do I just enter order using website? Thanks for all the help.

John
Window clip 3 Window clip 1 Window clip 2
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Quick Learner from Boston MA
May 24, 2024 12:20 am
The 34" balancer is wrong. I was looking at length of whole window (34") I wrote down by mistake. The glass is 32" so balancer should be 33".

2 - 33" 3240
Bob
Bob from SWISCO
May 24, 2024 9:55 am
SWISCO
EXPERT

I agree, our 16-002 looks like a great match. And I'm happy to hear that all the balances measure on a full inch, that makes this project a lot easier. All orders can be placed directly on our site at your convenience.

Please feel free to reach out if you had any other questions and I'd be happy to advise. 

Quick Learner from Boston MA
May 24, 2024 10:51 am
Thanks for all the help!

John
Quick Learner from Boston MA
Jun 5, 2024 11:45 am

I should have looked at the profile of the end piece of the balancer closer. S390 series is widder and slopes down at a slower rate. Mine angle down right from the start (mine is the top one in the picture). I ordered the S351's and will compare. I haven't installed anything yet as I will be returning one of the series.

The top sash has a different profile than the one I have. The 18-052 goes up at an angle and then straightens. Mine just goes up at an angle. Mine are also thicker plastic and a bit bigger. I just bought the 18-052's to have spares and mine look old. Looking at the pictures, should I just return them?

Thanks for the help. Hard to get exact parts just looking at pictures.

Balancer compare 2 Top sash compare 3 Top sash compare 2 Top sash compare 1
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Bob
Bob from SWISCO
Jun 6, 2024 1:07 pm
SWISCO
EXPERT

I'm sorry to hear about the trouble. Concerning the balance shoe, I'm not very concerned about the slope of the shoe (that detail differs from manufacturer to manufacturer) but I am worried about the depth. That will be a deal breaker. I would definitely recommend triple checking that depth before you buy anything new, just to be safe.

As for the top sash guide, can you write out what your precise dimensions are, compared to our 18-052? I can then check to see if we sell a compatible size. I can see that it's larger, but I need hard numbers in order to find a match.

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