9 simonton double hungs plus one casement

Contractor from Cape May

Oct 14, 2018 9:11 pm

Have customer with 9 Simonton tilt in double hung. Property build 2006. Need balances, shoes and pivot bars.

Also have Simonton casement. need operator

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Tom from SWISCO

Oct 24, 2018 10:29 am

Thanks for contacting us. They don't make these balances anymore, but we do have a more modern replacement. You can actually use the Certainteed coil balance system to replace it. See our 15-192 shoe and our Series 170 and Series 171 springs. Since it looks like you have two springs on each side, you want to use the Series 170 on the bottom and the Series 171 stacked above it. Hopefully that makes sense.

I'm not sure about your pivot bar. Simonton has been known to use our 26-336, but I don't know if that's what you have. Look it over and see what you think.

If that's a match, great... but there's a catch, too: the 26-336 has a collar around the tip that will not fit in the center metal cam of the 15-192. You'll have to either re-use the center metal cams from your old shoes or you'll have to grind down the collar on the new 26-336.

I'll need a photo of the operator on your casement window. I have no idea what it might be without seeing it. If you can show it to me fully removed from the window, that'd be a huge help.

Contractor from Cape May

Oct 24, 2018 7:18 pm

sorry I thought I had attached pic of operator

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Tom from SWISCO

Oct 25, 2018 8:05 am

It's quite alright. The important thing we can now see it and continue to help you. Take a look at the 39-329 operator. If you should also need a handle, look at the 39-114L and 39-205 folding type handle. Either one would work for you.

Contractor from Cape May

Nov 9, 2018 3:46 pm

Went back today to nail down things a bit more. It looks like two coils but not sure or if they join / attach to each other.
Also u can see in pics that there is a cut out but coils won't fit thru that opening unless coils separate??? jam spreader?
Need to pull coils so I can see what one I need.

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Paul from SWISCO

Nov 12, 2018 8:20 am

That is unusual to hear that you aren't able to remove the coils through the cut out. Maybe try this, slide the exposed coil pass the opening to remove the next nylon cover. Next, slide the coil springs down and see if you can work the top coil spring out. You can also use the jamb spreader on your window to remove the coil springs through the cut out. Get back to us and let us know how everything works out.

Contractor from Cape May

Nov 27, 2018 9:39 am

Sorry about big gaps in time getting back,
Ok now that I have the (3) coils out I can see that a single small screws is all that attaches them to the shoe. I managed to twist shoe (while still in jam) a bit and remove screw which allowed me to pull each coil out. By the way they are all 407. Sash is HEAVY.
Anyway I will need to attach all 3 coils to the shoe before I insert into jam (unless you tell me other wise). So that will a bit of wresting or buying a jam spreader set.

Now that I have everything apart it appears the plastic shoe is only thing broken. Going to try what you suggested and reuse the metal cam.
Thanks

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Paul from SWISCO

Nov 27, 2018 10:09 am

Besides switching cams, you can also file down the top and bottom rings of the 26-336 pivot bar so it will fit into the 15-192 pivot shoe.

Contractor from Cape May

Dec 5, 2018 6:06 pm

Did u miss me...I keep the discussion going.
Ok.
1. Operator doesn't really fit...see gaps. Is there another one or am I at end with this fight?
2. Shoes:
A. I needed to take a sharp utility knife and trim off nubs on either side to make them fit
B. These windows have 3 coils secured to plastic shoe with small metal screw. Maybe that's why they broke in first place. Anyway real fight to get them into jam channel.
C. I re used the old cams and foot AKA bar would not fit in so I'm assuming I will still need to grind them down.
D. I bought the jam spreader and that helped a bit but still a pain.

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Dave Sr. from SWISCO

Dec 10, 2018 11:35 am

I'm sorry to hear you're having trouble. Could our 39-220 and 39-221 be better options? These have a slightly longer base and a similar arm setup. Carefully compare them to your original operators and see what you think.