Can't find proper Simonton coil balances

Home Owner from USA

Hello,

Having trouble finding proper coil balances for Simonton windows. 

Windows are standard 36"x60" windows marked: Simonton Window 9904161120, D0349 4/16/99, 2370629/01, UNIT: 35.5000 59.5000, G1 31.5625. 27.0625, OMSH. 

 Old coil balances are marked 5.5#, 39" A PAT E523208, but measure ~64" long stretched out (2 on each side). I've tried your S-160, 5.5#, 35", assuming the spring was only 4" shorter with disastrous results when I mounted the coil supports down 4" and the springs busted out of the supports, breaking the supports and bending the new coil balances! I had to mount the broken pieces of the coil supports down ~20" lower than their original location to make your 35" coils function (somewhat). 

Now, we have to be very careful to pull in tilt latches when lowering the windows because they catch on the top of the coil supports! Pics attached. As common as this window is (400+ homes in my subdivision alone), you'd think you would carry a common coil balance to replace them. 

My springs are similar to your #S160 springs. I've ordered the 5.5 lb. S160 springs in the past, but the big problem is your spring is only about 38" end to end, and mine are 64" end to end! A 26" DIFFERENCE IN LENGTH! My pictures are of one of my original springs next to one of your #S160 springs. The difference in length is obvious. The other picture shows the location of the original coil support (Left of picture, or top of window frame), second set of mounting holes that I drilled, 4 " lower due to your springs being labeled 35" and mine labeled 39", and lastly, where I finally had to mount the coil support to use your S160 coil springs. 

 What I need are S160 coil springs that are 5.5 lb with ~ 60" of travel!

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Paul
Paul from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

Thanks for posting! Yes, there was a time that coil balance manufacturers made their coil springs very long, since they installed them at the top of the window. They no longer make them this way, though. They suggest you install the coil spring cover lower on the window track. I recommend bringing them down with the springs just below where the top tilt latches would be when the window is closed. That way, the top tilt latches won't hit the coil spring cover.

Home Owner from USA
Won't this limit the travel of the lower sash? If this is the new practice, maybe point this out in your coil spring product descriptions and installation videos? This problem has driven me crazy for a number of years now!
Paul
Paul from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

The sash won't be able to be raised as high, no, but it will still close. I'm afraid there aren't any other options. 

This isn't exactly a new practice. We don't address it on our product description as it's not that common of a problem anymore. These windows haven't been made this way in a long time, and I feel having instructions like that in the description would only serve to confuse the majority of customers for whom it'd be irrelevant. 

Hopefully that makes sense. Let me know if you have any other questions!

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