Pella Balance replacements

Handy Person from Raleigh, NC

I'm the president of an HOA for a condo building in Raleigh, and I have a crap ton of these window balances that are bad.  They are similar but the top and bottom are slightly different sizes - pictures attached.  Shorter balance is numbered E30E and longer one is numbered E34D.  If you can help me out with these I'll try a couple to start, and then order a "crap ton," once I verify they work.  Let me know what you can do.

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Casey
Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
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Hello,

We do not carry these balances but I'm going to have our inventory manager take a look and see if we can supply them. I can't make any guarantees but we'll reach out as soon as more information is available. Thank you!

Casey
Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

We are still looking into this for you, but our suppliers are requesting a bit more information. Do you happen to know what type of window they came from? They may be clad exterior/wood interior. If so, we would need to know the size of the window to quote for replacement balances. The visible glass of one of the sashes (as long as they are vent equal), the window series, as well as vintage. 

Handy Person from Raleigh, NC
There are no serial numbers on the windows, but is the following information enough?  These are wood windows.  I am willing to buy a couple to try out if needed.  If they fit I will be buying a lot since this is a condo building and there are many broken balances.
Replacement: Balancing. Architect, Traditional, Double Hung, 39 X 71
1: Traditional, Non-Standard Size Double Hung, EqualFrame Size: 39 X 71General Information: Standard, Luxury, Clad, Pine, 5", 3 11/16"Service: Balancing, Jan 2005 - Jan 2011, Balance Assembly Upper, Code = 9.5 MMSash / Panel: StandardGlass: Insulated Dual Low-E Standard Argon Non High AltitudeGrille: No Grille,Wrapping Information: Perimeter Length = 220", Glazing Pressure = 60.
Rough Opening:
39 - 3/4" X 71 - 3/4"
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Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

Thanks for getting back to us. We heard back from Pella regarding the cost for these replacement balances, which, unfortunately, would be over $1000 per window. 

We suggest you reach out to Pella to see if there is any kind of warranty for your original hardware or if they can give you a better price than we were quoted. If they give you a similar price, let us know, and our senior experts will be happy to research alternate solutions. 

I'd recommend holding onto all of the original balance hardware in the meantime. Good luck, and please let us know how you make out with Pella!

Casey
Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

Good news! Our inventor manager was able to locate a possible replacement for the pivot shoe shown in your photos, which would be compatible with our S770 channel balances. We'll let you know as soon as they are available to view on our website. 

Handy Person from Raleigh, NC
Swisco keep me posted.  Would make my day if we could source a fix through you as I need hundreds of balances lol. 
Handy Person from Raleigh, NC
Outstanding
Casey
Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

We've added the new shoe to our website under product code 15-281 shown below. It should be available for purchase in the next few weeks.

Dimensions for 15-281
Dimensions for 15-281

Handy Person from Raleigh, NC
This appears perfect.  How do I order the balance and pivot shoe as one piece? Or is it my responsibility to somehow attach this pivot shoe myself?  Happy to do that myself but any guidance there is appreciated.
Casey
Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

The pivot shoe and balances are sold separately. The S770 uses the 15-043 terminal clip that will attach to the opening in the top of the 15-281 shoe. See the video below showing the general installation process. Just note that you'll be using a different type of pivot shoe. 

Handy Person from Raleigh, NC
Awesome.  Do you know when 15-281 will be available?  I'll try these out on a couple of windows and  then make my bulk purchase. 
Handy Person from Raleigh, NC
Oh never mind I see you said a few weeks in the thread above lol.
 
Casey
Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

No problem. Just let us know if you have any other questions. 

Casey
Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

Good news! The 15-281 is now available for purchase. Just let us know if you need anything else.

Handy Person from Raleigh, NC
I've ordered a couple of balances to test out before my bulk order.  I did notice this 19-03 that is a part of the balance - my current track system uses an s clip and bar option like the attached.  I suppose its not a big deal to screw in the balance, but do you have a solution for the top part so I don't have to drill a hole?  If I do need to drill a hole, what size drill bit should I use? 
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Casey from SWISCO
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The good news is that we can supply the S770 balances with a rivet at the top for the 19-030 s-clip but it will need to be a custom order. I tried to have the order cancelled for you but it has already shipped. If you'd like, you can send back the order following our return policy here and place a new order with the custom links we just sent over. Note that the 15-281 pivot shoes will need to be added to your order directly from our website. Just let us know if you need anything else.

Handy Person from Raleigh, NC
Outstanding.  I'll keep the order and try it out to make sure everything fits well, and then make a custom order.  When it's time to make the custom order what is the process there?
Casey
Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

We also offer the 62-005 rivet and 75-075 riveting tool if you'd prefer to install them at the top of the stock balances you purchased. 

Once you're ready to place a larger order for custom balances, just let us know to lengths, stamps and quantities needed and we'll be happy to send over updated order links. 

Handy Person from Raleigh, NC
It looks like I got my measurements off by 1 inch - maybe partially due to the 15-281 being slightly longer.  Can you send me a non-refundable quote for 4 more 15-281 along with 4 S770-35D and 4 S770-29E?  One other thing, the clips on the top are pretty small.  I'll let you decide on  that one what you think would fit.  Pictures attached.   
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Handy Person from Raleigh, NC
I'll keep an eye out for the email from Experts@swisco.com, but in the meantime can you work up a non-refundable quote based on my request above for 1inch less balances with the rivet up top and 4 S770-35D?  
Casey
Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

We'd be happy to send over new order links but I'm a bit confused since you're saying that you want the 34" 34D stamped balances the be 1" longer at 25", but the 30" long 30E stamped balances to be 1" shorter at 29"? I also don't see that you purchased the custom balances we originally sent you links for, which may be why you're having trouble installing standard S770 balances.

If you're concerned that the slight difference in the size of the shoe may be the problem, you may want to try using a different-sized s-clip to make up for the difference. We offer the 19-029 short and 19-020 long S-clips. Review the measurements below to see if switching the clips might be an easier fix than using entirely different balances. If you ultimately determine that you need new order links for custom S770 balances with a rivet at the top to attach s-clips, please write out the exact length of your original balance channels to help ensure that we can supply the correct replacements. 

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Quick Learner from USA
Can you make me a custom quote for the following?
15-281 - quantity 8
S770-33D with Rivet at top - quantity 4
S770-29E with Rivet at top - quantity 4
19-029 - quantity 8
Casey
Casey from SWISCO
SWISCO
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We just sent over your order links and price quotes for review. Keep in mind that the pivot shoes and s-clips will need to be added to your order directly from our website since they are stock items. Take a look and let us know if you need anything else. 

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