window guides for double hung Weld Jen wood interior, aluminum clad ex in about 2003.

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Looking to replace the plastic guides on ech side of this window. Any assistance would be ppreachiated
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Tom
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It sounds like you need new balance shoes, but it's very difficult to identify what you need while everything is still installed. This service requires unobscured photos of all relevant hardware, and in your case that will require full removal prior to taking your pictures. Would that be possible?

I'm afraid your balance assembly is too obscured to ID in these photos, so we cannot make a recommendation until then.

Quick Learner from Boston MA

Tom,

I need to get mentally prepared to disassemble the window while I wait to find the part, get it and reassemble it. I'm currently living in the house so a bit of a chore. Before I take on this step, I have some additional information that may help you find the proper parts. The window is Jeld Wen. It does not appear to be spring loaded but I do see nylon cords. Inscribed on the metal that is part of the liner is 26RB. My research suggests this means the liner is a 26" B shaped vee plough vinyl compression jamb liner in beige/bone.

Does this infromation help ?

don

Tom
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The manufacturer does suggest that this might be our Series 751 balance. But it's important to keep in mind that this has historically been made with a few different configurations; the Series 751 is just one of them, and many of the others are obsolete. We can usually supply those obsolete varieties as custom orders, but removal would be necessary to verify precisely which configuration we're dealing with.

For now, look over the Series 751 and see how well it compares. I strongly advise removing the original before you buy anything just to be safe.

Quick Learner from Boston MA
thanks, Tom

Do you have any videos or can you make available any videos how to remove the liners? I do not see any nails or screws or visible attachments Do you have any advice on how to remove them?
Tom
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Sure, come to think of it we do have an older video about our Series 751. It's a little out of date but should be relevant for your project.

There is one major difference between your window and the one in our example, which is that we have a thin wood trim that secures the jamb liner. You'll see my friend Mike here remove that before he slips out the jamb liner.

Reviewing your photos, though, I don't see such a trim. That means your jamb liner is probably pressure-fit. That means the only thing holding it in is the sash itself (while it's installed anyway, and a little friction (while it's not). Once the sash is removed it should pull out by hand.

Quick Learner from Boston MA
Thank You!!!! We have a Northeaster storm headed to Boston this weekend. I'll wait till the storm passes to remove the window and get back to you next week with pics and information about the balance. Thanks again.

don
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thank you. I'll get back to you next week. I genuinely appreciate all your help.
Tom
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No problem! This thread will remain open. 

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I removed the linear and took these photos of the balance. Does this provide tou with the info to identify the balance I nned?

don
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Perfect, thanks! I can indeed verify that our S751-27 is a good fit for this window. I would also recommend the 26R stamp, which carries 10 through 19 pounds. According to my records this is a more modern version of the old RT stamp, but you might want to weigh your old sash on a scale just to be sure. These old window manufacturers are unreliable at best, and I personally would rather trust my eyes before I trust them. If your sash weight falls within that weight range then the 26R stamp will be perfect.

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OK , Ill weigh one sash. Is there a right and left balance?
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Each sash weighs approximately 24 lbs. Can you tell me exacctly what balance and cam pivot I need to order?
Thanks for your help!

don
Tom
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I'm very glad you checked. For a 24 pound sash, I would recommend the 26HD. This carries 19 through 24 pounds exactly. We also sell the 26TG, which carries 24 through 31. Both technically carry 24 pounds, so both can work. If your sash weighs even a little more or less, then pick between these stamps respectively. Assuming your sash is precisely 24 pounds without any overlap then I would just go with the 26HD.

It's curious that they would use the 26RT stamp on a 24 pound sash, but the original installers may simply have gotten it wrong. Happens all the time. Like I said, I'll always trust my eyes before I trust whoever did the job before me!

For the pivot bar, see our 26-150.

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I eventually took both jam liners off and looked closely at weight and the balances. The upper sash weights 23.6 lbs and is stamped 26RT which is the balance I sent you pictures of. The weight of the lower sash is 26 lbs and is stamped 26RB. I thought I was using the same balance for upper and lower sash, right and left side. Was I wrong about this? Would there be different balance for upper and lower?
Tom
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Sure, that's been known to happen sometimes. It's not a universal rule, more commonly the top and bottom are identical, but it really depends on the application.

For the 23.6 lbs sash, our 26HD remains my top suggestion.

For the 26 lb sash, go with our 26TG stamp instead. That carries 24 through 31 pounds.

Quick Learner from Boston MA
Tom,
Thanks very much. I ordered all my parts today. Really appreciate your help!

Don
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You're very welcome! Thanks for the order and please don't hesitate to reach out if you had any other questions. We're always here to help.

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