I've got a couple old vinyl windows that I can only guess are just warped or worn because the 2.5" pivot bar ( 26-083) just keeps popping out. I replaced every single pivot shoe and bar on one window, and within a few ups and downs one side or both pops out.. Both sashes have this problem.
I was thinking of trying ordering this 3" one instead. The hole spacing on the first 2 holes is only 1/16" different.. I'm pretty sure the vinyl is worn enough to wiggle that much. And comparing the drawings, if I use those first 2 holes I'll get it sticking an extra 1/8" out the end.. I think that 1/4" total (if I do both sides) may be enough to stay in, while not so much to jam up where it's less warped. Just trying to get a couple years out of them before I replace them all with a nicer window.
Was thinking to avoid the high shipping costs, I would just order a bunch. If I it works, I'll keep them for other windows. If it doesn't I'll return them. I've got a few pivot shoes (wasn't positive of size and double-ordered) to pay return shipping on already anyway...
Am I nutz? Seems no harm as long as there's enough give in the screw holes in the window that it doesn't wear them down to the point I can't get the old bar back in if it doesn't work.... Seems like there should be enough slack for 16th of an inch (difference in hole spacing between the 2 bars)?
Can I replace pivot bar with slightly longer...
Handy Person from New Jersey
Jun 22, 2020 12:10 pm
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Tom from SWISCO
Jun 25, 2020 12:11 pm
I have come across old vinyl tilt windows were the sash pivot bar detaches from the pivot shoe because of so much play. Sometimes the master frame bows out, like you described.
If you can, try to remove the interior trim and see if you can place a wedge behind the master frame to tighten the window. Or, you can use a longer pivot bar. Just be careful after you install the first set that they don't stick out too far when you close the sash. The bottom master frame might be tight there.
Handy Person from New Jersey
Jul 7, 2020 2:32 pm
For those who may find this.... I went ahead and did this and it worked for my situation. A couple caveats... I really had nothing to lose. With the sash popping out of the shoes in my 6 year old's room, I wasn't about to risk the window dropping on her. So worst came to worst, the window became inoperable, which for my purposes it already was.
So.... a couple of things to note:
The shorter (original to the window) pivot bar I referenced in my first post uses #6 screws. This longer one uses #8s. So aside from buying new screws if you don't have them, you need to be OK with drilling (or just letting the screw tear) a slightly larger diameter screw hole in the vinyl sash. Don't know what the impact would have been had this failed (i.e. had the longer bar jammed the window) and I had to go back to the original bar. Probably would have been fine - might have needed a washer - but just a disclaimer, I can't say for sure, may have been too much wiggle and I may have been up the creek for good.
Additionally the hole spacing IS definitely off by that 1/16th of an inch the drawings show and it's not totally negligible. Again, vinyl has enough give that it worked - but unsure what the impact would be if I had to go back to the old pivot bar had this not worked.
All of the above is why I only did one side first. That seems to be working, so unless it starts popping out again, I plan to leave it rather than risk going to far and causing the window to jam if I do both sides.
Note, I also silicone sprayed the shoe track and white lithium greased the spiral balance (found on another helpful post on here!) - so I'm not jarring the window as much, which I think is also helping. It popped out easily enough before, however, that I don't believe that alone would have solved the original problem.
Final Note.... I have new windows on my "5 year plan"... so again... not a lot to lose. Personally, I probably wouldn't have tried this on a newer window. But hopefully a newer window wouldn't have such a warped frame that this was happening in the first place! Fiberglass for the new windows when the time comes :-)
Hopefully this helps if anyone runs across this post with a similar issue!!
So.... a couple of things to note:
The shorter (original to the window) pivot bar I referenced in my first post uses #6 screws. This longer one uses #8s. So aside from buying new screws if you don't have them, you need to be OK with drilling (or just letting the screw tear) a slightly larger diameter screw hole in the vinyl sash. Don't know what the impact would have been had this failed (i.e. had the longer bar jammed the window) and I had to go back to the original bar. Probably would have been fine - might have needed a washer - but just a disclaimer, I can't say for sure, may have been too much wiggle and I may have been up the creek for good.
Additionally the hole spacing IS definitely off by that 1/16th of an inch the drawings show and it's not totally negligible. Again, vinyl has enough give that it worked - but unsure what the impact would be if I had to go back to the old pivot bar had this not worked.
All of the above is why I only did one side first. That seems to be working, so unless it starts popping out again, I plan to leave it rather than risk going to far and causing the window to jam if I do both sides.
Note, I also silicone sprayed the shoe track and white lithium greased the spiral balance (found on another helpful post on here!) - so I'm not jarring the window as much, which I think is also helping. It popped out easily enough before, however, that I don't believe that alone would have solved the original problem.
Final Note.... I have new windows on my "5 year plan"... so again... not a lot to lose. Personally, I probably wouldn't have tried this on a newer window. But hopefully a newer window wouldn't have such a warped frame that this was happening in the first place! Fiberglass for the new windows when the time comes :-)
Hopefully this helps if anyone runs across this post with a similar issue!!
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