Custom Balance inquiry

Quick Learner
The balance springs are 29 3/8 inches long.
1 1/4 deep and 5/8 inches wide. (Please see attached photos for confirmation). I've attached additional photos of the clips on both sides as well as the makings on the casing.

I will need 2 springs.
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Tom
Tom from SWISCO
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Thanks for your photos. Based on what I see here, you have either our S380-30 or S385-30, depending on the depth of the bottom shoe. That's the only difference between them. I recommend measuring your shoe and referring to our dimensions to confirm the best match.

The length of the metal channel should be 30", based on your stamp. Please make sure to triple check that before you buy anything. 29-3/8" is not a size that we can supply for this design.

Comparison of the S378, S380 and S385 balance shoes.
Comparison of the S378, S380 and S385 balance shoes.

Quick Learner from CO
Thanks Tom. The length of the balance is definitely 29 3/8. However, if you're not able to provide that, and according to the stamp it SHOULD be 30 inches... or maybe 29? Is it a big deal if the balance is a little shorter or longer? Which would be better - longer or shorter? (Who knows what handyperson modified these.)

Additionally, I have another set that need to be replaced. They are 29 inches long. The stamp says 2830 BSI ve. What model of balance should I order to replace this second set?

Thanks,
Jane
Tom
Tom from SWISCO
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Expert

Based on your stamp of "2930," the metal channel should be 30" long. None of our full inch balances can replace a channel of 29-3/8", though. I know that doesn't seem like a huge difference but it is a deal breaker. Even a difference as small as 1/4" will render a channel balance incompatible with a window. These are very precise systems, and if the size isn't identical then they're not going to work.

If the balance is too long, it will stick out of the bottom of the sash and will prevent it from closing when it hits the sill. Too short, and the cord won't have enough travel to allow the window to close; you'll run into a similar problem but with a much worse consequence, as you run the risk of ripping the cord right out of the pulley.

There is no rounding up or down for this kind of part. It has to be exact or it won't work at all. I've never seen a 3/8" length increment, either, so I'm not sure where these balances might have even come from. It's possible that whoever installed your balances likely altered them, presumably because they were initially the wrong size. I'm just guessing, though, I really can't tell you why anyone would do that. All I can tell you with confidence is that if the metal channel is 29-3/8", then this isn't a project we can help you with.

You also mentioned a 2830 balance with a 29" metal channel. That is more in line with industry standards, so nothing out of the ordinary there. As for what model you need, that depends entirely on the combination of nylon fittings. As outlined above, the nylon fittings are what determines Series.

Quick Learner from CO
Good morning. Thank you for your assistance.
The 29" balance with the 2830 stamp has a shoe depth of 1".

What would this model number be? I'd like to get these ordered today.


Tom
Tom from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

If the shoe depth is 1", then the Series 380 is a possibility. However without actually seeing your plastic fittings, same as you showed me for the last balance, then that's not something I can tell you for sure. Balances come in many configurations that all use dozens of different plastic fittings, some of which have a 1" bottom but are by no means the same. If you are unable to garner from our product photos whether the Series 380 is a match, I'd be happy to look at it myself were you to supply photos.

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I'm no fool. (Usually). At the very least, I know enough to consult experts when they're available. Photos are attached.
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Tom
Tom from SWISCO
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Great, thank you! As long as this shoe is 1" deep, the Series 380 should work perfectly fine as a replacement for this balance.

Quick Learner from CO
Yayyy!!!
Thank you!
I will order now.
Quick Learner from CO
I'd like to replace this broken piece as well. Can you tell me what part number I'll need to order?
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Tom from SWISCO
SWISCO
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This looks to be a top sash guide of sorts, but truth be told I've never seen anything like this. I wonder if I'm right after all, or if this is a different component. Can you tell me what its function is? Might it also be possible to see a photo of it installed? Finally, can you confirm that this is the entire piece, or has some of it broken off? Seeing a complete an undamaged part may give me a better idea of what it is.

Quick Learner from CO

After scouring the website yesterday, I decided that item number "18-193 - Top Sash Guide" was the correct item. I ordered replacements for all of my windows.

Hopefully these fixes will keep my windows working for another 5 years.

Thank you for your help!

Tom
Tom from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

Awesome, I'm glad to hear it! Please feel free to reach back out if you run into any issues, or if you had follow up questions in general. We're always here to help.

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