Selecting the correct spiral balance, pivot shoe and stop block

Handy Person from Milwaukee, WI
May 30, 2020 6:24 pm
Hello, we live in a condo and our windows are very difficult to operate and many will no longer stay up. I would like to spend some time cleaning the tracks, replacing all the spiral balances, pivot shoes and possibly the stop blocks and getting them working the way they once did. It looks like they have been worked on in the past and there appears to be a mix of parts used.

SPIRAL BALANCES: Most have the thin 3/8" diameter spiral balances with what looks like an orange plastic tip at the end but it could be faded red. Other windows have the larger diameter 5/8" spiral balances. Both are 28" long.

PIVOT SHOE: despite the spiral balances being red or orange the pivot shoes have a blue insert.

STOP BLOCK: looks very much like your Acorn Window Stop Block And looks to accommodate the larger 5/8" spiral balances despite almost all being 3/8" diameter.

I really would like to get them back in good working condition and perhaps I should weigh the windows as you suggest on your website to get the correct spiral balance?

Your help is greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Michael
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Tom
Tom from SWISCO
Jun 3, 2020 1:38 pm
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Thanks for posting, Michael. It looks like you have both a Series 900 and Series 600 spiral balance. The color tips you need in each case will probably be Red but it can't hurt to weigh your sash. I also agree that the stop matches our 55-063.

I'm not sure what the pivot shoe might be. I'd like to see a picture of it and I'd also like to know its width and thickness.

Handy Person from Milwaukee, WI
Jun 14, 2020 9:52 am
Tom,

The window weighs almost exactly 16 lbs.

Since the windows are difficult to lift should I go to the blue rather than red balancer?

Also, which diameter do you suggest since both the 600 and 900 series seem to fit? Is there an advantage to using the 5/8" vs the 3/8"( a more robust spring...)?

I have attached photos of the pivot shoe. It dimensions are: 534"((17/32), height 2.055"(2") x 1.262"(1.25"). Which I believe most closely matches your product no. 15-015

Thanks!
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Tom
Tom from SWISCO
Jun 15, 2020 8:48 am
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Concerning whether to use the Series 900 or Series 600, it's not really a matter of advantage. They're both different balances and are not meant to be interchangeable. That they are interchangeable in your window is curious, but I guess not unheard of. It sounds like the original installers just kind of used whatever they had on hand.

That said, your shoe is over 1/2" thick and I do agree that our 15-015 is the best match. It looks like it'll fit perfectly. The 15-015 is also most commonly paired with the Series 600. The Series 900 is technically compatible, sure, but if I were the installer then I would never pair a balance that skinny with a shoe that thick. There's a good chance your windows were meant to have the Series 600 originally. 

Concerning sash weight, moving up to the Blue probably won't make the windows work better. There's a good chance your windows were hard to open not because of weak springs, but because the balances just lost tension from age and use. One nice thing about spiral balances is that this can sometimes be fixed by charging them with a tool like our 75-006. Giving them two to three turns usually gives them a little life back. Otherwise I think you'll see the same results with a Red tip as you would with Blue.

Handy Person from Milwaukee, WI
Jun 15, 2020 11:13 am
I just ordered a pair of red and blue Series 600 balancers, a pair of series 900 red and green blancers, pivot shoes and a charge tool. I will do some experimenting before I place the full order.

Thanks for your help,
Michael
Tom
Tom from SWISCO
Jun 15, 2020 11:20 am
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Sounds good to me! Let me know how it works out, or if you had any questions.

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