Replacement Shoes for "Renovations" (yes, actual brand name) windows

Home Owner from Northern Virginia
I have a number of Home Depot installed windows (brand name "Renovations", model 6500) over 20 years ago.  The windows are fine, the sash coil springs are also fine.  Two pivot shoes have failed on one of the window.  On the coil the number '406' is stamped on the top-most spring, which I think relates to 701 coil balance.  The related Pivot Shoe 15-192 looks to be the appropriate shoe replacement:  It looks like it, and the measurements line up.  I'm just looking for a second, professional opinion before committing. 
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Lauren
Lauren from SWISCO
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Hello, thank you for posting,

To confirm the best replacement option for your window, are you able to show us the pivot bar on the bottom of the window sash that engages with the pivot shoe? From there we can determine the overall style. Thank you! 

Home Owner from Northern Virginia
Sure thing!  Thanks for the reply.  Picture attached
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Lauren
Lauren from SWISCO
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Thank you! 

Your coil balance is an older Simonton style that is no longer made. Even though the 15-192 appears similar, it is not the exact style. 

There are two options to consider. If you wanted to reuse your original springs, covers they should be compatible with the 15-192 pivot shoe. The catch is that you may need to shave down the front aligners on the shoe for it to fit into the window channel properly. The original pivot bar may also not fit into the cam, if you run into this, you would need to reuse the metal cam and place it into the new shoe housing. 

detail of 15-192
detail of 15-192

Another option that we recommend is replacing the full setup with the 15-259 pivot shoe, Series 159 coil springs along with the 26-083 pivot bar and 15-256 double support. The video below shows the step by step conversion and parts needed. If you need assistance with choosing the correct weighted springs, please provide the weight of the sash to move forward. 

I recommend reviewing both options to see which direction would be best for you! Let me know if you have any additional questions! 

Home Owner from Northern Virginia
Thank you Lauren, I appreciate the professional assist! I'm going to try the 15-192 path first, with the caveats you have called out.  If that doesn't work, I will go with option two.
Thank you!
Lauren
Lauren from SWISCO
SWISCO
Expert

No problem! Let us know if you have any future hardware questions. 

Home Owner from Northern Virginia
Hi - No need for a response here, but I just wanted to leave my experience here for future searches.
I did proceed with just new CertainTeed pivot shoes.  I did have to sand off the front & back aligners to get it to fit in the track.  I also had to reuse my old cam, since comparing old & new cams by eye alone clearly indicated that the new cam has a more narrow gap, and isn't as deep as the Simonton cam.
The final hurdle I am working through is the top opening of the shoe:  The plastic is too narrow for the original pivot bar, so I'm carefully grinding it to to match the width of the legacy cam.  I am using about 120 grit sandpaper for this, so it's taking some time:  Having a die grinder would make faster work of the task.
I was typing this, I think I my drop down the local hardware store and see if I can get stone grinders for my drill:  As long as I am careful, I should be good to go.
Anyway, the guidance from the SWISCO team was spot-on.  Very happy with the feedback and the purchased products.  If more shoes break I think I will go with the "new everything" approach that SWISCO recommended as Option Two.
 
Thank you team!
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