Replacement block & tackle balance

Home Owner
Patent # 5737877 approximate length 30". Tilt window. Small plastic pieces at top of window snapped while I was closing it.
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Tom
Tom from SWISCO
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Hi there! Thanks for posting. Looks like you have an old crossbow balance. This isn't made anymore, but you can use our Series 795 as a replacement. The process is a bit involved, but the video below will outline the steps you need to follow to get it to work in your window.

Home Owner from Charleston SC
And I'm handy so shouldn't be problem.

So let me confirm and ask a couple of questions: This is a tilt sash window.

Point to point : 28 1/2 #1
Weight : 23
T Shoe : 1 1/4
Top Channel Hanger hole : 1/4" x 1/4" #2
Window Pivot Bar: Screw Width : 1 3/8" #3
Overall : 3 1/8" #4

> So should the Channel Balance be a S795-28 C or D since it is at the limit of C and the minimum of D?
>The S795 has the correct shoe right which i think is a 15-195? Right?
>So #2 is going to require a 15-198 Balance Clip Attachment which will make it a Custom order? Right? And, it will come attached ready to hang in the slot pictured?
Is it possible to go up a 1/2" and just screw it in with a standard Balance... eliminating the special order?
> The pivot bar (#3 & #4) looks like a 26-366. Is it required if the existing Pivot Bar isn't damaged?

Am i missing anything at this point?

I have about 17 windows that could used most of this and I am a little concerned with overall cost and the fact that nothing can be returned. Can volume discounts be mixed and matched with different Channel sizes?
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Tom from SWISCO
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Thanks for getting back to us. I'll address each of your points.

  • If your sash weight is precisely 23 pounds, then either C or D can work interchangeably. They both cover 23 pounds.
  • The Series 795 comes with the 15-195 shoe by default, yes.
  • There is no need for a 15-198 top hook on your balance. Referencing our video, you can see that we put a 26-200 screw plug into the square hole at the top, allowing our Series 795 balance to work with its default screw plug.
  • You don't want to round up. Referencing our video again, you round down to the nearest inch. Since your original balance is 28-1/2"  long, you want a S795-28.
  • If your current pivot bar is damaged, then you will need a new one.

Hopefully that answers all your questions. Since the hardware you need to purchase doesn't have to be custom made, you can return anything if it doesn't end up working. I would recommend giving our video another watch just to be sure you cover everything. You can see our return policy here.

Volume pricing does not cover different balance sizes.

Home Owner from Charleston SC
Thanks for the info.

If i order 8 795-28-C and 4 795-D do i get the volume discount price for all 12 @ $11.43?
Tom
Tom from SWISCO
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Unfortunately, no. The volume discount only applies to products that are identical. 

Tom
Tom from SWISCO
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As long as the sash weights fall within the given perimeters of the stamp option in question, then it should be okay. However if it's over or under by even a pound, then you need to go up (or down, as the case may be) to the appropriate stamp option. As you said, if a spring is too strong then the sash will be more difficult to close and could even drift up on its own. It's important to be precise.

Home Owner from Charleston SC
Thanks Tom,

Ok... so, in your opinion, would I be better off carrying a heavier spring for a lighter sash or a lighter spring for a heavier sash. Both are within tolerances, so what would you recommend?


Will heavier springs mean closing lighter sash windows will be much harder? They may open super easy but be a bear to get down. I guess I'm not too worried about heavier sashes staying up because it is within tolerances but i didn't know if the lighter springs may fail prematurely due to weight.

I'm going to order 12 Channel Balances to start and 4 of the sashes are 18# and 2 are 23#.
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