channel balance and tilt shoe got separated

Handy Person from Baltimore, MD

Hi!

My channel balance and tilt shoe got separated and I cannot insert the shoe into the channel. My questions are:

What is the replacement kit?

I do not have a slot to insert the shoe. Can I cut it out at top or bottom?

Currently, the window is sliding to the very top.

Francis

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Bob
Bob from SWISCO
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Thanks for writing in. This is a Series 795 Channel Balance. Because the groove in the stem of both your t-lock shoe and your channel balance are not compatible with our hardware, I am afraid you will need to replace both the balance and the shoe. To remove the balance, unscrew it from the top and then lean it out of the jamb track. Since your T-Lock shoe is separated, you should be able to lean the stem out of the track, then rotate the shoe so that the wedges are vertical and the whole shoe can come out. Confirm the length of your balance; if it's 28", then you need an S795-28 with a stamp option of 28D. You'll want to make sure your T-Lock shoe matches the specifications of the shoe that comes installed with these balances, our 15-195 Closed Cam 1-1/4" T-Lock Shoe. Let us know if it differs at all.

Handy Person from Baltimore, MD
Thank you very much for your reply. I have the following questions.
-The current balance is not screwed. Just hangs by means of a hook. If I buy a new balance, where should I screw and what height?
- Can I use the same pivot bar?
-Just to confirm, I will order these parts: S795-28 x 2, 15-195 Closed Cam 1-1/4" x 2. Please let me know, if I am wrong. Hope everything fits into my jamb track.

Do I need to look for any other specifications?
Bob
Bob from SWISCO
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Thanks for getting back to me, Francis. Ahh, thanks for pointing out the hook at the top, rather than a screw. This is a fairly common alternative design. We can replace this for you so that the Series 795 comes installed with a 15-198 hook instead, but it will have to be a custom order. What I'll do is I'll shortly send you an email with a custom link to order 2 of the S795-28 with a stamp option of 28D and the 15-198 hook attached. Let me know if you have any questions.

As far as your T-Lock Shoe, does your old shoe match the specifications of the 15-195? Is it 1-1/4" wide and have a 'closed' cam you can't see through the back of? If so, then you don't need to buy any extra shoes, since the 15-195 comes automatically installed with our Series 795 balances. You would only need to buy an additional T-Lock shoe if your shoe was a different design: say, if it was only 1" wide like our 15-194, or if it had an open cam like our 15-195B

As far as your pivot bar goes, as long as it is undamaged, it should work with the new T-Lock Shoe and Channel Balance. 

Hope this clarifies things. I will shoot that email over to you as soon as I can.  

Handy Person from Baltimore, MD

Thank you very much Rob for your wonderful service. I have a couple more questions before I am ready to order the parts. I have provided additional pictures.

  • Can I use the hole on the top to secure the balance or should I use the existing 15-198 model only? I want to standardize going forward to replace all the windows.
  • you can see the balance width from the picture.
  • Shoe seems to be 1" closed cam. correct me if I am wrong.
  • Should I replace the pivot bar also to match the shoe? The current pivot bar has notch on both sides.

If you can confirm me for all the above, I will order 2 of each for one window.

Thank you!

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Bob
Bob from SWISCO
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Thanks for getting back to me, Francis. Let me clarify. Your current balances have the 15-198 hook. That's the hook that clips to the hole in your window track. The custom balances we're recommending would have this hook. 

I agree, your T-Lock shoe looks more like the 15-194. Let me send you an updated custom link with that shoe attached. As far as your pivot bar goes, I do not believe you'll have any issue. 

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